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Laura Lee said, “ @Luther -- We
are to be mindful of those who are concerned about
meat SACRIFICED TO DEVILS. “
REPLY: If you are a Christian do
you eat ham on easter? Do you have any idea why the
pig is the main course on easter? Do you have any
idea about what easter even stands for? Do you even
care?
Laura
Lee said, “If ppl have a problem with Christinas
eating pork, they are in satanic bondage”
REPLY: Satanic bondage? For
following the instructions of the Creator of all
things? Satanic bondage? What do you know about
satanic bondage? Here’s a little something about
Satanic bondage:
Mat 8:28 And when He came to the other side, to
the country of the Girgashites, two demon-possessed
ones met Him, coming out of the tombs, very fierce, so
that no one was able to pass that way.
Mat 8:29 And see, they cried out, saying, “What
have we to do with You, Yahusha, Son of Elohim? Have
You come here to torture us, before the appointed
time?”
Mat 8:30 And at a distance from them there was
a herd of many pigs feeding,
Mat 8:31 and the demons begged Him, saying, “If
You cast us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”
Mat 8:32 And He said to them, “Go.” And they,
coming out, went into the herd of pigs. And see, the
entire herd of pigs rushed down the steep place into
the sea, and died in the water.
Wow, look at that… Yahusha
casting out demons and they wanted to go into the
pigs. You would think that might tell us something,
but obviously it does not outweigh the taste of
pork.
Laura
Lee said, “ and I will show them zero
consideration by not eating bacon in front of
them. I will eat the bacon and not come under
bondage to them under the law. They will not spy
out my liberty to bring me under bondage to the
law. There's a difference.”
REPLY: Please show us in
Scripture where your “liberty” includes eating
unclean animals. So you must believe through
Yahusha’s death that He has now miraculously
cleansed the pig. Are you saying that the pig is
cleaner now than it was before Yahusha died? Or tell
me; at exactly what point did the pig become clean
to eat? Now if the pig is clean so is the dog, the
cat, the skunk, the lizard, etc… Now I would imagine
if you eat the pig you also eat the dog and the cat.
Or would you consider that an abomination? If
somehow all these animals are all now clean to eat
can you please explain these next Scriptures? You
might even use these as your “proof” text:
Act 10:9 And on the next day, as they were on
their way and approaching the city, Kĕpha went up on
the house-top to pray, about the sixth hour.
Act 10:10 And he became hungry and wished to
eat. But while they were preparing, he fell into a
trance,
Act 10:11 and he saw the heaven opened and a
certain vessel like a great sheet bound at the four
corners, descending to him and let down to the earth,
Act 10:12 in which were all kinds of
four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and
creeping creatures, and the birds of the heaven.
Act 10:13 And a voice came to him, “Rise up,
Kĕpha, slay and eat.”
Act 10:14 But Kĕpha said, “Not at all, Master!
Because I have never eaten whatever is common or
unclean.”
Act 10:15 And a voice came to him again the
second time, “What Elohim has cleansed you do not
consider common.”
Act 10:16 And this took place three times, and
the vessel was taken back to the heaven.
Act 10:17 And while Kĕpha was doubting within
himself about what the vision might mean, look, the
men who had been sent from Cornelius, having asked for
the house of Shimʽon, stood at the gate,
Is this the point where the pig
and all the other creeping creatures miraculously
became clean to eat? Well, what do we see here:
1. This took place after Messiah died and was
resurrected
2. We find Kepha saying “not at all, because I have
NEVER eaten whatever is common or unclean” – well,
why didn’t he? Surely Kepha would have known that
all these creatures were clean for his consumption.
3. Did Kepha rise up and eat? No, he did not. But as
we can see in verse 17 that there was more of a
meaning to this rather than Yahuah saying that all
these creatures were now clean to eat, this is
evident by him doubting within himself what the
vision might mean. Verse 28 answers his dilemma:
Act 10:28 And he said to them, “You know that a
Yehuḏite man is not allowed to associate with, or go
to one of another race. But Elohim has shown me that I
should not call any man common or unclean.
Elohim showed him that he should
not call any man common or unclean. He did not say I
should not call any creature common or unclean. But
I don’t suppose you can see this if you’re heart is
set on the delicacies of the unclean.
Isa 66:16 “For by fire and by His sword Yahuah
shall judge all flesh, and the slain of Yahuah shall
be many –
Isa 66:17 those who set themselves apart and
cleanse themselves at the gardens after ‘One’ in the
midst, eating flesh of pigs and the abomination and
the mouse, are snatched away, together,” declares
Yahuah.
So when will Yahuah judge all
flesh? He even has a warning concerning those who
consider themselves set-apart and cleansed eating
flesh of pigs. This clearly shows that when Yahuah
shall judge all flesh that He will also judge those
who eat the flesh of pigs. Oh and the mouse also,
surely from your stand point the mouse is also
clean. Do you eat the mouse also? If not, why? It’s
clean, right? What would you say of others if they
were eating the mouse, lizard, dog, cat… would you
say they are ‘disgusting’? Do you discriminate on
what is clean and unclean by what you eat and what
you don’t? Why is it so far from someone’s
understanding to think that there are limitations on
what we can eat? These next verses show us what
Yahuah Elohim tells us we can eat and what we cannot
eat, how dare Him tell us what we can and cannot
eat.
Lev 11:2 “Speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl,
saying, ‘These are the living creatures which you do
eat among all the beasts that are on the earth:
Lev 11:3 ‘Whatever has a split hoof completely
divided, chewing the cud, among the beasts, that you
do eat.
Lev 11:4 ‘Only, these you do not eat among
those that chew the cud or those that have a split
hoof: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not
have a split hoof, it is unclean to you;
Lev 11:5 and the rabbit, because it chews the
cud but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to
you;
Lev 11:6 and the hare, because it chews the cud
but does not have a split hoof, it is unclean to you;
Lev 11:7 and the pig, though it has a split
hoof, completely divided, yet does not chew the cud,
it is unclean to you.
Lev 11:8 ‘Their flesh you do not eat, and their
carcasses you do not touch. They are unclean to you.
Rom 16:17 Now I call upon you, brothers, watch
out for those who cause divisions and stumbling,
contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn
away from them.
Lev. 11 is the teaching concerning what we are to eat
and what we are not to eat. Where do you think the
teaching came from? Do you think they were studying
the “New Testament” at that time? No, their teaching
came from the Torah.
Rom 16:18 For such ones do not serve our Master
Yahusha Messiah, but their own stomach, and by smooth
words and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of
the innocent.
Eze 22:26 “Her priests have done violence to My
teaching and they profane My set-apart matters. They
have not distinguished between the set-apart and
profane, nor have they made known the difference
between the unclean and the clean. And they have
hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, and I am profaned
in their midst
Eze 44:23 “And they are to teach My people the
difference between the set-apart and the profane, and
make them know what is unclean and clean.
What you consider “your liberty”
is in direct opposition to what the Torah instructs.
Anyways, was it not Yahusha that was giving these
commands to Mosheh to be written down for the
children of Yisra’el? Is not Yahusha the Word? Is He
not the Spokesman for the Father? He told us in His
Torah that certain things were clean and unclean.
How many pairs of unclean animals did Mosheh put on
the ark? Do you think the clean and unclean just
came about through the Torah? No obviously before
the flood there was a distinction between clean
animals and unclean.
1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit distinctly says that in
latter times some shall fall away from the belief,
paying attention to misleading spirits, and teachings
of demons,
1Ti 4:2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having been
branded on their own conscience,
1Ti 4:3 forbidding to marry, saying to abstain
from foods which Elohim created to be received with
thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 Because every creature of Elohim is
good, and none is to be rejected if it is received
with thanksgiving,
1Ti 4:5 for it is set apart by the Word of
Elohim and prayer.
4:3 says “abstain from foods
which Elohim created to be received with
thanksgiving”. Question – which foods did Elohim
create to be received with thanksgiving? Pigs? Dogs?
Raccoons? Lizards? Skunks? NO. Lev. 11 tells us
which foods are to be received with thanksgiving.
But of course you might stick with verse 4 alone
“every creature of Elohim is good, none to be
rejected if it’s received with thanksgiving”. You
take this one verse out of context not considering
which foods Elohim created to be received with
thanksgiving. You also take it out of context
without verse 5 which says the creatures of Elohim
are set-apart by the Word of Elohim. So please
provide the Scripture from the TaNaK (old testament)
that shows that any unclean animal is set-apart by
His Word that we might eat it.
Now remember, the Word of Elohim that is being
spoken of here is not the New Testament because it
had not been written yet, the only Word of Elohim
being spoken of here is the TaNaK. And you say we
are in ‘satanic bondage’? Personally, it is your
choice whether you choose to eat the unclean. We do
not judge you nor condemn you, nor say that you are
“going to hell” for eating the pig, or the dog, or
the cat, or the mouse. But just consider it a
warning because you might just be spanked over it.
Luk 12:47 “And that servant who knew his
master’s desire, and did not prepare, nor did
according to his desire, shall be beaten with many
stripes. Luk 12:48 “But he who did not know,
yet did what deserved flogging, shall be beaten with
few. And everyone to whom much is given, from him much
shall be demanded. And to whom much has been
entrusted, from him much more shall be asked.
Mat 5:18 “For truly, I say to you, till the
heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle
shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be
done. Mat 5:19 “Whoever, then, breaks one of
the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall
be called least in the reign of the heavens; but
whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called
great in the reign of the heavens.
So tell me why is it that those
who choose to follow Yahuah’s instructions from the
Torah are in some kind of “satanic bondage”? You
think because we follow His instructions we deny the
‘grace of Messiah’? Isn’t that a common cliché? Did
you ever stop to consider that because sin is
transgression of the law and those that believe in
Messiah want to stop sinning so they follow the
instructions in the Torah that tells us what sin is?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth
also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 7:7 What, then, shall we say? Is the Torah
sin? Let it not be! However, I did not know sin except
through the Torah. For also the covetousness I knew
not if the Torah had not said, “You shall not covet.”
So how are we to know what to eat and what not to eat
if we do not read it in the Torah?
Maybe you could explain how it
is that Yahusha came to save us from our sins yet we
can continue to ignore the instructions given in the
Torah? How is it that the whole world will be judged
for their lawlessness yet those who believe in the
Messiah can go about doing lawless deeds and be
saved by this “grace” ? Or how is it that when the
Messiah comes that you will be raised up with Him to
be kings and priests over the world to teach and
enforce the laws that you yourselves do not obey
because of “your liberty”? Doesn’t that seem kind of
odd? That the world will be judged for their
lawlessness yet the Christians can continue in their
lawlessness because they are ‘saved’ and then they
will turn around in the millennium and teach the
laws that they themselves never kept. Hmmmm No
wonder homosexuality is accepted in some Christian
churches, I mean everything is clean right? You’re
not bound by the law, right?
Paul
Perreault said, “Besides Jesus Christ gave us a
NEW COVENANT and the Old Law is now Jesus
Christ......If we focus on the OLD LAW we would
ALL GO TO HELL!!!! FOR NOT ONE MAN IS TOTALLY
RIGHTEOUS! People seem to forget the IMPORTANCE OF
JESUS CHRIST AND HIS SACRIFICE!!!”
REPLY:
Psa 19:7 The Torah of Yahuah is perfect,
bringing back the being; The witness of Yahuah is
trustworthy, making wise the simple;
Psa 19:8 The orders of Yahuah are straight,
rejoicing the heart; The command of Yahuah is clear,
enlightening the eyes;
Psa 19:9 The fear of Yahuah is clean, standing
forever; The right-rulings of Yahuah are true, They
are righteous altogether,
Paul that is absolutely
ridiculous to say that somebody is going to hell for
obeying what is written in the Torah. Did you ever
stop to consider that if it wasn’t for Yahusha
saving us from our sins that we would care less
about keeping the commands? The truth is, the
Messiah Himself and through His unmerited kindness
towards us causes us to be obedient to His Word. Now
the statements you have made are in no way
Scriptural at all. You are speaking from your own
understanding and not the Scriptures.
If you are speaking from the Scriptures then you
will tell us where, what verse shows us that if a
man obeys the commandments in the Torah that he will
“go to hell”. Apparently you would say that David is
out to lunch. He didn’t know what he was talking
about. He says the Torah of Yahuah is perfect
bringing back the being. Bringing them back from
where? A sinful state. What you are in turn doing is
calling Yahuah a liar and you are mocking and
belittling those who choose to be in obedience.
If you truly believe that the Old Testament laws are
done away with then you better not have anything to
say about those who commit homosexuality,
bestiality, rape, incest, adultery, fornication,
etc, etc Are there any laws you observe yourself? Do
you murder? If you don’t murder then you’re denying
the grace of Messiah. If you don’t commit
homosexuality then you’re denying the grace of
Messiah. If you don’t sleep with your dog or your
mother then you’re denying the grace of Messiah,
etc, etc.
Here’s the fact – you will pick and choose of your
own accord exactly what commands you will observe or
not. Pick and choose. Far be it from YOU to let the
Elohim of all Creation tell you what you can and
can’t do. Are you married? If you are then you
better let your wife commit adultery with whomever
she chooses otherwise you’re denying the grace of
Messiah. Will you try to tell us you keep the 10
commandments? If so, do you really.
Paul
said, “We are not bound by the OLD LAW BUT BY THE
NEW LAW GIVEN TO US BY JESUS CHRIST! Serously
Ellie you need to put your focus on the LIVING GOD
rather than the OT/ Mosaic laws....Jesus Christ
paid for ALL of our sins, so this is quite
irrelevant IMO.
REPLY: And that is exactly what
it is, your opinion and not what the Scriptures say.
Exactly what is the “new” law? Please quote it.
Paul
Perreault said, “The reason pig was unclean in the
OT was because it was not cultivated/herded and
pigs like we still know of today will EAT
ANYTHING!!! Even their own feces...And whatever
they eat grows on their rib cage literally that
day! Therefor it becomes unclean....However today
that is different.”
REPLY: The pig is unclean
because Yahuah said it is unclean. But of course you
think man can come along and by simply giving them
grains would make them clean? Apparently you don’t
have any idea about the biology of a pig. Why do you
think they grow human tissue such as ears and organs
from a pig? Did you ever think because they are so
closely related in genetic make-up to the human? Do
you know what cannibals refer to humans as? Long
pig. Why? It ain’t because they taste like chicken!
Paul here is what I would seriously suggest to you –
run as far away from the preachers you have been
listening to, immerse yourself in the Word and
prayer to Yahuah Elohim Most-High and do what HE
says rather than man’s twisting of the Scripture so
that they might enjoy their lawlessness without
conviction.
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